JILL SHIVELY
Automobile Confrontation
GRAND JURY, TUESDAY, JUNE 21, 1994
DEPUTIES DISTRICT ATTORNEY: MARSHA CLARK
Q. MISS SHIVELY, DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE
DATE OF JUNE 12, 1994, AS OF THAT DATE, CAN YOU TELL US THE
GENERAL LOCATION IN WHICH YOU WERE LIVING.
A. 20TH AND WILSHIRE, ONE BLOCK NORTH ON CALIFORNIA.
Q. IN SANTA MONICA?
A. IN SANTA MONICA, RIGHT.
Q. IS THAT ANYWHERE NEAR AN AREA KNOWN AS "THE VILLAGE"?
A. IT'S PRETTY CLOSE; 3 MILES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
Q. NOW, WHEN I MENTION "THE VILLAGE," WHAT IS THAT?
A. BRENTWOOD VILLAGE.
Q. WHAT DO YOU FIND IN THAT VILLAGE?
A. DIFFERENT STORES, SHOPS, FOOD. I JOG UP AROUND SAN VICENTE IN THE MEDIAN A LOT.
Q. AND PEOPLE CONGREGATE THERE TO HAVE LUNCH OR GO SHOPPING SORT OF THING?
A. RIGHT.
Q. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN LIVING IN THAT AREA?
A. 8 YEARS.
Q. ON THE DATE OF JUNE 12, 1994, DO YOU RECALL LEAVING YOUR HOUSE IN THE EVENING?
A. YES, I DO.
Q. WHAT TIME DID YOU LEAVE?
A. I LEFT MY HOUSE AT 10:45 P.M.
Q. ARE YOU CERTAIN OF THAT TIME?
A. YES, I AM.
Q. WHY ARE YOU SO CERTAIN?
A. BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO GET TO THE STORE THAT CLOSED AT 11 AND I WANTED TO GET SOMETHING TO EAT.
Q. WHEN YOU LEFT YOUR HOUSE, DID YOU NOTICE WHETHER THE TRAFFIC THAT NIGHT WAS LIGHT OR HEAVY?
A. IT WAS VERY LIGHT. THERE WERE VERY FEW CARS OUT.
Q. DO YOU HAPPEN TO RECALL WHAT THE WEATHER WAS LIKE THAT NIGHT?
A. IT WAS KIND OF -- IT WASN'T REAL HOT. IT WAS KIND OF A COOL BREEZE.
Q. SO YOU WERE DRIVING FAIRLY QUICKLY?
A. AROUND 45; 40, 45.
Q. AND AS YOU WERE DRIVING, WHAT STREET WERE YOU TAKING?
A. SAN VICENTE, EAST.
Q. YOU WERE GOING EASTBOUND ON SAN VICENTE?
A. RIGHT.
Q. DID YOUR TRAVELING TAKE YOU TO THE INTERSECTION OF SAN VICENTE AND
BUNDY?
A. YES, IT DID.
Q. DID SOMETHING UNUSUAL OCCUR THERE?
A. YES.
Q. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO GET FROM YOUR HOUSE, WHICH YOU LEFT AT 10:45, TO THE INTERSECTION OF SAN VICENTE AND BUNDY?
A. APPROXIMATELY 3 TO 5 MINUTES.
Q. SO YOU ARRIVED AT THE INTERSECTION OF SAN VICENTE AND BUNDY AT 10:48 TO 10:50?
A. RIGHT; YES.
Q. BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT YOU SAW THERE, PERHAPS IT WOULD HELP YOU IF YOU USED THAT BOARD NEXT TO YOU AND YOU DRAW A DIAGRAM OF THE INTERSECTION WITH THAT BLUE MARKER IN FRONT OF YOU.
A. OKAY.
Q. EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE DOING. I'M GOING TO HOLD THE MICROPHONE UP TO YOU SO THE JURY CAN HEAR YOU.
A. OKAY.
MS. CLARK: FOR THE RECORD, I WILL ASK TO MARK THIS AS PEOPLE'S 22.
THE FOREPERSON: SO ORDERED. (MARKED FOR I.D.: = EXHIBIT 22.)
THE WITNESS: SAN VICENTE IS A STREET WITH A GRASS MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE SO EACH LANE IS SPLIT. THIS IS THE WESTBOUND LANE OF SAN VICENTE AND THIS IS THE EASTBOUND LANE.
Q. BY MS. CLARK: CAN YOU DRAW ARROWS TO INDICATE THE DIRECTIONS ALSO.
A. OKAY. AND THIS IS BUNDY. THIS IS NORTH AND THIS IS SOUTH BUNDY ALSO
SPLITS RIGHT HERE AND IT GOES AROUND.
Q. SO IT KIND OF CURVES?
A. IT CURVES, RIGHT.
Q. CAN YOU WRITE "BUNDY" ON THE STREET THAT IS BUNDY.
A. SURE. THERE'S BUNDY.
Q. IS THERE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL?
A. THERE IS A LIGHT. THERE IS A LIGHT HERE --EITHER HERE OR HERE. THERE
IS A LIGHT. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY -- MAYBE THE POST IS RIGHT HERE. THERE IS A LIGHT RIGHT
HERE THAT TELLS YOU
WHERE YOU CAN TURN. WHEN YOU COME HERE, YOU HAVE TO STOP AT THE LIGHT, AND HERE, TOO.
Q. YOU HAVE PUT TWO LITTLE DOTS ON THE MEDIAN PORTION TO THE RIGHT AS YOU FACE THE DIAGRAM
OF WHERE YOU PUT "BUNDY." IS THAT YOUR INDICATION FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS?
A. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE SITUATED. AND THEN THERE IS A SCHOOL RIGHT HERE.
Q. GO AHEAD AND PUT "SCHOOL." WHY DON'T YOU WRITE "SCHOOL."
28 A. ALL RIGHT. AND THERE IS A GAS STATION HERE.
MS. CLARK: FOR THE RECORD, THE WITNESS IS WRITING DOWN "SCHOOL" AND "GAS
STATION," AS SHE INDICATED IN HER TESTIMONY, ON THE CHART.
Q. CAN YOU TELL US NOW -- CAN YOU INDICATE WITH A SQUARE AND AN ARROW INDICATING YOUR DIRECTION WHERE YOUR CAR WAS.
A. MY CAR IS HERE, GOING EASTBOUND ON SAN VICENTE, AND A WHITE -- THE
WHITE BRONCO WAS GOING NORTH ON BUNDY WITH NO LIGHTS ON.
Q. WILL YOU PLEASE MAKE A SQUARE WITH A "B" INSIDE OF IT.
A. OKAY. SHALL I PUT IT WHERE IT STOPPED OR WHERE IT'S GOING?
Q. EITHER ONE.
A. OKAY. WHERE IT STOPPED. AND I STOPPED RIGHT HERE.
Q. YOU HAVE MADE ANOTHER CAR ON EASTBOUND SAN VICENTE, INDICATING YOUR CAR.
CAN YOU PUT YOUR INITIALS BY THAT CAR, PLEASE.
A. OKAY. "J.S."
Q. THANK YOU.
A. AND THEN I WAS DRIVING EASTBOUND, AND AS I GET TO THE
INTERSECTION I HAVE THE GREEN. A WHITE BRONCO RUNS THE RED LIGHT AND GOES THROUGH THE
INTERSECTION AND ALMOST HITS ME. I ENDED UP SWERVING THIS WAY TOWARDS THE SCHOOL AND THE
BRONCO, WHICH WAS COMING AT ME, SWERVED AROUND AND WENT THAT WAY.
Q. BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT, IS THERE ANOTHER CAR INVOLVED IN THIS AS WELL?
A. YES. THERE IS A NISSAN THAT I DIDN'T SEE UNTIL HE HAD STOPPED RIGHT
HERE BLOCKING THE BRONCO.
Q. CAN YOU PUT AN "N" IN THE SQUARE.
A. OKAY.
Q. NOW, YOU HAVE DRAWN IN EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO DRAW?
A. RIGHT, I THINK SO.
Q. WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A SEAT. CAN YOU REACH WITH THE POINTER TO SHOW US?
A. SURE.
Q. SO YOU GOT TO THE INTERSECTION OF SAN VICENTE AND BUNDY GOING
EASTBOUND AT ABOUT 10:48 TO 10:50
.
A. RIGHT.
Q. THERE WAS A TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT CONTROLLED THE EAST/WEST TRAFFIC AS
WELL AS THE NORTH/SOUTH TRAFFIC.
A. THAT'S TRUE.
Q. WAS THE LIGHT RED OR GREEN FOR YOU?
A. IT WAS GREEN FOR ME.
Q. WHICH WOULD MEAN, THEN, THAT IT WAS RED FOR NORTH OR SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC ON BUNDY.
A. RIGHT.
Q. AS YOU PROCEEDED TO THE INTERSECTION, WHAT HAPPENED?
A. AS I PROCEEDED TO THE INTERSECTION, OUT OF THE CORNER OF MY EYE I SAW
SOMETHING, A WHITE CAR OR TRUCK, BRONCO, COME RIGHT INTO MY -- IN FRONT OF ME AND IT
DIDN'T HAVE ANY LIGHTS ON. SO I COULDN'T SEE IT. HE STOPPED -- HE STOPPED IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE GRASSY MEDIAN RIGHT HERE AND HE TURNED AROUND AND LOOKED AT ME.
Q. YOU SAY YOU STOPPED WHERE YOU WROTE "CAR" AND "J.S."
A. RIGHT.
Q. IS THAT THE POINT WHEN YOU FIRST NOTICED HIM AS HE WAS TRAVELING
NORTHBOUND ON BUNDY?
A. WHEN HE WAS -- THE FIRST TIME I NOTICED HIM WAS WHEN HE WAS RIGHT THERE IN
FRONT OF ME AND I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO HIT HIM.
Q. SO BY THAT TIME WAS THE WHITE CAR OVER THE LIMIT LINE, RUNNING THE RED LIGHT?
A. YES, IT WAS. IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF -- IT WAS IN FRONT OF
ME AND THEN IT ENDED UP STOPPING RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE.
Q. YOU ARE INDICATING, "RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE." YOU HAVE THE SQUARE WITH THE "B" MARKED ON IT?
A. RIGHT.
Q. SO AFTER RUNNING THE RED LIGHT, IT GOT TO THAT PART BETWEEN THE MEDIANS -- BETWEEN THE GRASS MEDIANS AND STOPPED?
A. BETWEEN THE TWO LANES; RIGHT.
Q. WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
A. WELL, IT STOPPED, BECAUSE THERE WAS A CAR THAT WAS GOING WESTBOUND, A
NISSAN. FROM WHAT I CAN PUT TOGETHER, THE NISSAN, I THINK, STOPPED TO AVOID RUNNING INTO
THE BRONCO. BUT WHEN IT STOPPED, IT BLOCKED THE BRONCO AND IT STOPPED RIGHT THERE. AND
THEN THE MAN IN THE BRONCO STARTED YELLING AT THE GUY IN THE NISSAN TO MOVE HIS CAR.
Q. SO THE BRONCO KEPT ON GOING UP NORTHBOUND ON BUNDY AFTER RUNNING THE RED LIGHT -- AFTER
INITIALLY RUNNING THAT RED LIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION WHERE IT WAS EASTBOUND TRAFFIC ON
BUNDY, IT KEPT ON GOING AND STOPPED AT THE POINT WHERE YOU HAVE INDICATED?
A. RIGHT.
Q. AND THEN THERE WAS THAT CAR THAT YOU HAVE MARKED IN A BOX WITH AN
"N" IN IT THAT WAS BLOCKING ITS PATH FROM GOING ANY FARTHER?
19 A. RIGHT.
Q. AT THAT POINT, THE BRONCO STOPPED?
A. THE BRONCO HAD TO STOP, BECAUSE THE CAR, THE NISSAN WAS TRYING TO
MOVE OUT OF THE WAY, BUT THEY KEPT MOVING THE SAME WAY. LIKE THE BRONCO WOULD MOVE
FORWARD, THE NISSAN WOULD MOVE FORWARD. SO THEN THEY BOTH STARTED TO MOVE BACKWARDS AND
THE BRONCO TRIED TO GO AROUND THE NISSAN IN THE BACK, BUT THE NISSAN WAS BACKING UP. SO
THEY DID IT AGAIN IN THE FRONT. AND THEN FINALLY THE NISSAN WENT AHEAD AND WENT WEST AND
THE BRONCO TURNED AND TOOK OFF BEHIND THE NISSAN WEST AND THE BRONCO TURNED AND TOOK OFF
BEHIND THE NISSAN GOING NORTHBOUND ON BUNDY.
Q. NOW, AT THE POINT THAT THE DRIVER OF THE BRONCO STOPPED, WAS THE NISSAN ACTUALLY
BLOCKING HIS PATH?
A. YES, IT WAS.
Q. WAS THE DRIVER'S SIDE WINDOW OF THE BRONCO OPENED OR CLOSED?
A. IT WAS OPENED.
Q. WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE PERSON SEATED IN THE BRONCO?
A. YES, I WAS.
Q. AND HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE HIM?
A. HE TURNED AROUND AND GLARED AT ME AFTER HE HAD ALMOST HIT ME, AND THEN I -- THEN HE STARTED YELLING AT THE GUY IN THE NISSAN TO MOVE HIS CAR.
Q. SO WHEN YOU SAY HE TURNED AROUND AND GLARED AT YOU, DID YOU
ACTUALLY MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH HIM?
A. YES, I DID.
Q. DID HE SAY ANYTHING?
A. NO. HE JUST GAVE ME A REAL QUICK LOOK, LIKE
WHAT WAS I -- YOU KNOW, IT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS MAD OR ANGRY AND LIKE WHAT WAS I DOING TO
HIM OR SOMETHING. I FELT LIKE HE WAS LOOKING AT ME LIKE I HAD ALMOST HIT HIM OR SOMETHING.
Q. DID HE SAY ANYTHING TO THE DRIVER OF THE NISSAN?
A. HE KEPT TELLING HIM, "GET OUT OF THE WAY; GET OUT OF THE WAY.
MOVE THE CAR; MOVE. GET OUT OF THE WAY." AND THEN THE MORE HE YELLED, THE DRIVER OF
THE NISSAN, THE GUY IN THE NISSAN GOT UPSET AND HE WAS TRYING, TO GET HIS CAR OUT OF THE
WAY. BUT THEY WERE BOTH RUNNING INTO EACH OTHER EACH WAY THEY WENT.
Q. DID THE DRIVER OF THE BRONCO EVER PUT HIS HEAD OUT THE WINDOW OR ANY PART OF
HIS BODY OUT THE DRIVER'S SIDE WINDOW?
A. HE STUCK HIS HAND AND LEANED OUT TO YELL AT THE GUY.
Q. CAN YOU SHOW US WHAT THAT IS.
A. HE WENT LIKE THIS, "MOVE; GET OUT OF THE WAY; MOVE," LIKE
THAT.
MS. CLARK: THE WITNESS HAS LEANED HER UPPER TORSO TO THE LEFT AND EXTENDED HER ARMS OUT
AND HER HEAD OUT WHILE LEANING SIDEWAYS.
Q. DID THE NISSAN DRIVER SAY ANYTHING TO RESPONSE?
A. HE LOOKED SCARED. HE LOOKED ANGRY AT FIRST, BUT THEN HE LOOKED SCARED, BECAUSE SOMEONE
-- HE WAS LIKE A MANIAC, SOMEONE GONE CRAZY OR SOMETHING.
Q. NO; WAIT. NO; NO. DON'T SPECULATE WHAT THE NISSAN DRIVER WAS THINKING.
A. OKAY. HE LOOKED SCARED AT FIRST, OR ANGRY, AND THEN HE LOOKED SCARED.
Q. NOW, DID THAT YELLING OCCUR BEFORE OR AFTER YOU MADE EYE CONTACT WITH HIM?
A. AFTER.
Q. SO FIRST HE LOOKED AT YOU --
A. HE GLANCED BACK AT ME AND I COULD SEE HIM FULL-FACE DIAGONALLY. THEN HE WAS YELLING AT THE DRIVER LIKE HE WAS IN A HURRY TO GET OUT OF THE SITUATION HE WAS NOW IN.
Q. SO THEY WERE -- AS ONE WOULD PULL BACK, THE OTHER PULLED BACK?
A. YEAH.
Q. AS ONE WOULD PULL FORWARD, THE OTHER WOULD PULL FORWARD?
A. THREE TIMES. THEY DID IT THREE TIMES.
Q. DID THE DRIVER OF THE BRONCO EVER ATTEMPT TO PULL UP OVER THE MEDIAN?
A. HE WAS GOING TO GO UP OVER THE CURB, THE MEDIAN CURB, BUT THE DRIVER OF THE NISSAN
PULLED FORWARD. AND THEN HE REALIZED THAT HE HAD TO GO BEHIND THE NISSAN, BUT THE NISSAN
THEN MOVED BACK. THEN THEY WENT FORWARD AGAIN, AND THEN HE FINALLY TOOK OFF. THE BRONCO
TOOK OFF AFTER THAT.
Q. SO THE NISSAN DRIVER ULTIMATELY PULLED THE CAR FORWARD ENOUGH --
A. RIGHT.
Q. -- THEN THE DRIVER OF THE BRONCO --
A. SPED AROUND HIM, IN BACK OF HIM AND TOOK OFF NORTH ON BUNDY.
Q. WERE THE HEADLIGHTS STILL OUT?
A. THEY WERE STILL OUT.
Q. AND HE WAS SPEEDING, GOING QUICKLY UP NORTH ON BUNDY?
A. YEAH. HE WAS GOING FAST BECAUSE YOU COULD HEAR LIKE THE ENGINE WAS KIND OF ZOOMING,
"WHOOM, WHOOM." HE WAS REALLY MOVING, MOVING FAST.
Q. NOW, THE AREA THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WHOLE INTERSECTION WHERE YOU WITNESSED
ALL THESE EVENTS, IS IT DARK OR IS IT WELL LIT?
A. IT'S WELL LIT BY STREET LIGHTS AND A GAS STATION THERE.
Q. WHERE YOU HAVE INDICATED?
A. RIGHT.
Q. SO WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE DRIVER VERY CLEARLY?
A. I RECOGNIZED HIM RIGHT AWAY.
Q. AND WHO IS HE?
A. I SAW O.J. SIMPSON.
Q. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIM AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD?
A. AT THE PARK, DIFFERENT SHOPS, THE POST OFFICE. HE WAS OUT A LOT WHEN
HE WAS AROUND. HE WAS OUT ALL THE TIME. HE WAS A COMMON FIGURE THERE IN THE VILLAGE.
Q. WHEN YOU HEARD HIM YELLING AT THE NISSAN DRIVER, WAS THE VOICE FAMILIAR TO YOU?
A. YES. THEN I CONFIRMED THAT IT WAS HIM. I KNEW RIGHT AWAY IT WAS 100 PERCENT
HIM.
Q. CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE NISSAN FOR US.
A. IT WAS A WHITE -- OH, THE NISSAN? THE NISSAN WAS A GRAY TWO-DOOR. IT
WAS JUST A REGULAR PLAIN NISSAN, A SIMPLE MODEL; JUST A TWO-DOOR. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY
WHAT KIND, BUT IT WAS A TWO-DOOR LIGHT GRAY NISSAN.
Q. AND THE DRIVER, CAN YOU DESCRIBE HIM.
A. HE WAS YOUNG. I'D SAY BETWEEN 18 AND 25 AND] LOOKED LIKE A YOUNG KID,
A YOUNG GUY.
AND HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FACIAL HAIR OR ANYTHING. LIKE HE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A COLLEGE STUDENT
OR SOMETHING.
MS. CLARK: I WOULD LIKE TO MARK THE NEXT EXHIBIT, YOUR HONOR, AS
PEOPLE'S 23, IF I MAY.
THE FOREPERSON: YOU MAY DO SO.
Q. BY MS. CLARK: SHOWING YOU PEOPLE'S 23. CAN YOU TELL ME IF YOU
RECOGNIZE THE PERSON
SHOWN THERE.
A. YES, I DO.
Q. WHO IS THAT?
A. O.J. SIMPSON.
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